Minutes_Park and Recreation Commission 7 10 12PRESENT:
OTHERS:
ADMINISTER
OATH OF OFFICE
AND SIGN PAPER
FOR RE-
APPOINTED
COMMISSIONER
BOB BLOCKER:
MINUTES
APPROVED;
VOTE:
PUBLIC
COMMENT
(limited to three
minutes per
person):
PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING
Tuesday, July 10, 2012
4:30 p.m., City Council Chambers, Historic Federal Building
Bob Blocker, Chuck Harris, Paul Hoffmann, Ken Klinge and Dave Schlueter
Staff present: Marie Ware, Pat Prevenas and Jolene Rettenberger. Twenty -
two (22) people present in the chambers for public comment(s).
At the start of our meeting (4:35 p.m.), Leisure Services Manager Marie Ware
shared the Oath of Office paperwork with Paul Hoffmann to administer to our
re- appointed commissioner, Bob Blocker. We welcome Bob Blocker to his
extended term on the Park and Recreation Commission.
It was moved by Blocker, seconded by Harris, to approve the minutes of the
June 12, 2012, meeting. The motion passed unanimously.
Prior to the start of public comments, Commissioner Hoffmann reminded the
public speakers to address the commission by stating their name and address,
as well as writing down that information for minutes. A time limit of three
minutes per person was granted.
Kate Lydon 123 Bluff Street. Moved to Dubuque three years ago. She is
surprised and disappointed that no dogs are allowed in the parks. She
addressed the chambers asking how many people were here to support dogs
in the parks in which several people raised their hands. She has 1,677 signed
supporters who are in favor of having dogs in the parks. She will continue to
gather more supporters.
Nancy Winning, 2380 Trygg Drive. Has lived in Dubuque for four years. Has
also lived in five states and eight cities. Dubuque is the only place that no dogs
(leashed) are allowed in the parks. She is not aware of any problems with
dogs in the park in the past. She sees dogs along the river walk and doesn't
see any problems with people and /or dog waste. She wants to go to the park
with her dog and sit and read a book. She commented on how the parks are
not full with people during the week. Stated when she was at Murphy Park the
other day, no one was at the park.
Robin McFarland, 390 Alpine Street. Moved to Dubuque last year (business
owner). She travels a lot. She has not come across a place to walk her dog.
She feels that having a discussion about limiting pets in the parks would be a
mistake, especially for the tourists. This is not a good way to do business. In
her opinion, responsible people will enjoy this; no enormous increases with
problems.
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Terry Leibold, 2530 Millstone Drive. Has worked for the City of Dubuque as
a park ranger and park employee for the past twenty -eight years. He has been
a dog owner for thirteen years. In his opinion, NO dogs in parks due to safety
reasons. It's not a good idea to mix people and dogs. No clean -up. Dogs are
already allowed in certain places in Dubuque already, plus there will be an
additional Pet Park opening along South Locust in the near future. His wife is
very much afraid of dogs and will stand /walk behind him. He sees people
carrying leashes in their hands and the dogs freely walking /running through the
park. He would have no problem in getting petition signatures showing the
amount of people who are not in favor of having pets in the parks. How do you
think the IBM employees would feel about eating their lunch at Washington
Park and having a dog do their duty while eating lunch? If we honor this, we
should have certain rules and specific areas with dogs on leashes (not
retractable leashes, 6' leashes). Have a 3- strike rule in effect — if you get
caught twice, the third time you are banned. Terry also stated that as he
served as a park ranger, if tourists came into the park with their dog, he talked
with the pet owner to let them know about no pets in the parks, but as long as
they were there, he didn't see any harm in the dog being allowed to come into
the park and then back to their vehicle.
James Menson, 890 Rush Street. James stated that he is a responsible pet
owner. He has a trained dog. He feels that the rules assume that people at
the park are not responsible. His trained dog will always be on a leash. He
considers his dog as a member of his family. Are people going to be
responsible for their dog? There should be penalties if they are not
responsible. He wants to be able to take his dog with his family to the park, but
for the time being, he has to decide if taking the family members or his dog
only (limited on where they can all go). Dubuque is a fast growing city. We
need a system in place to monitor this.
Kathryn Hartman, 535 Candlewick Court. Has been a nurse for forty -one
years; now retired. During her nursing years, it was her job to go on home
visits. She has observed pet owners who love their pets and they treat them
like family members. However, pets are unpredictable — their nature is to
protect their owners and their territory. There are plenty of non - responsible pet
owners. She was raised on a farm. During the last four weeks in her
neighborhood, she has had to cleanup dog poop left on her lawn. She has
noticed some people carrying a doggie bag to "look good ". She commented on
what a pleasure it is to take people to the park with having no fear of pets or
the smell of pets. She commends the City of Dubuque for limited pets in the
parks. Why are we willing to take on the liability?
William Kaiser, 3556 Keymont Drive. Against dogs. He walks everyday for
about 1'% hours at Eagle Point Park. Sees a lot of dogs (leashed and
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unleashed) in the park before operating park hours, as well as dog waste left
behind. He has also witnessed responsible dog owners drop their poop bags
on the ground. He has talked with park maintenance employees and they are
not in favor of dogs in the parks. Park employee comments have been "if you
think it's bad now, I'm afraid to think what it will be like if dogs are allowed." If
you're having a family gathering at the park, do you want to listen to dogs
barking? We have a lot of wildlife in the parks (ducks /fox /deer /et cetera). It will
take one severe dog bite... Parks are for people, not for pets.
Wanda Dossev, 901 Lincoln Avenue. Has been a Dubuque resident for
sixteen years. It's a fact of life that we have responsible and irresponsible
people in every factor of life. She is in favor of dogs in the parks. She has
enrolled in American Kennel Club Obedience classes with her dog. It would be
nice for people and their dogs to be able to take in the local sites (tourists) and
enjoy the city. The dock dogs bring in an economic boost to the community.
More people are traveling with their dogs. Look at the health benefits — keep
walking and exercising. Do we have certain rules for motorcycles /motorcyclists
that break the laws?
Paula Martens no address listed. She is a responsible pet owner. When
her dog is at their home, the dog is leashed in her own yard. She often stands
over her dog while he's in the yard. What makes not other loose dogs from
coming into her yard and attacking her dog? What do other cities do? Give it a
chance.
Ryan Larson. Has a binder with handwritten petitions he shared with the Park
and Recreation Commission. He owns a pit bull. He's a responsible pet
owner. There are dog training facilities available in Dubuque. Penalize people
if they are not responsible for picking up dog waste.
Jim Kress, 3090 Keokuk Court. Jim shared a typed note with the Park and
Recreation Commission. About 1% hours ago there was a volunteer at the
Dubuque Arboretum who shared a story with him. The people were down in
the Port of Dubuque (near the flood gates) when a pit bull ran out with his leash
tied to a folding chair. The couple was fearful and ran back to their car. This is
a safety issue — there are going to be lawsuits galore! We have to protect our
children from the dogs. Who will enforce the leash ordinance since the park
rangers don't come on duty until 4:00 p.m.? We have a tight budget. Don't
allow dogs in the parks due to the safety of our children first. Dubuque
received an award for an "AII- America City ".
John Betko, 1263 Jackson Street. Has lived in Dubuque for fourteen years.
An "AII- America City" has rights for everyone. He pays dog license tax. How
can you say you can't go to any parks? Why is this a problem? Pit bulls...are
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ELECT
OFFICERS;
VOTE:
COMMISSIONERS
PRESENT AND
DISCUSS THEIR
INDIVIDUAL
PROPOSALS
REGARDING DOGS
IN PARKS AND
LEISURE
SERVICES AREAS
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they going to kill you, really? Enforce the laws that we have. Can't take your
dog anywhere. Give us more options — people will be responsible.
Kim Davkin, 275 Southgate Drive. Kim is a former Park and Recreation
Commissioner of 15 years. Is the owner of a Dalmatian. She has been all
over the parks areas (Swiss Valley, Mines of Spain, et cetera) and has
witnessed that most people do not have their dogs on a leash. Her dog has
been attacked by other dogs. Mess all over — you'll step in dog poop. This will
be a problem in the parks. People say that their dog is so nice and won't hurt
anyone, but her dog will hurt them. Has a suggestion - if we allow dogs in the
parks, limit the parks — not in Eagle Point, Murphy or Flora parks Of a tourist,
OK as stated by Terry Leibold's comments above). Limit the times and parks
for pets. Have an extra park ranger to enforce the rules and impose hefty
fines.
Donald Koepke, 434 Emmett Street. New resident to Dubuque; moved two
months ago from Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Moved to Dubuque due to the low
unemployment rate. Surprised with the restrictions we have on dogs in the
parks.
Sandy Kohn, 2194 North Star Drive. Owner of two mixed labs that she takes
on walks. Doesn't go to the Pet Park because she sees the dog owners
congregating around and the dogs have the run of the place. Eagle Point Park
is a great place to go. She has noticed people dropping their dog waste bags
on the ground, but they return back to pick them up as they walk back on their
route. Give us a fair chance; nothing is 100% in life. Just give us a chance.
It was moved la Schlueter, seconded la Klincie, to elect Bob Blocker as
Chairperson elect David Schlueter as Vice - Chairperson, and elect Chuck
Harris as Secretary. All motions passed unanimously.
At this part of the meeting, Commissioner Blocker took over as Chairperson.
Below are statements from our commissioners about their proposals for dogs
in the parks:
Commissioner Harris. Proposal is simple, but not. He has heard from people
what they are saying. Allow dogs in all parks except for Eagle Point, Dubuque
Arboretum and Botanical Gardens, Murphy, Washington, Jackson and
Comiskey. Commissioner Harris lives across the street from Comiskey Park
and owns two dogs. He feels that it would be too hard to enforce this since our
personnel has enough work on their plates. We either do all parks, or no
parks. He also added that if there is an issue in the neighborhood about dogs
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in the parks, add that park to the list for no pets allowed at all. Make the fine a
minimum of $750, keep the leash at 6' and cleanup after your pet(s). We need
to encourage responsibility.
Commissioner Schlueter. He proposals to look at the ordinance and make
changes. Dave distributed copies of his amendments to 10 -5B -4 as follows:
A) Add the following: exception being the designated Pet Park(s); B) Revise:
Leashed dogs and cats allowed in all parks and areas except the following:
Eagle Point Park, Marshall Park (Dubuque Arboretum and Botanical Gardens),
Louis Murphy Park and the Riverwalk by the Grand Harbor Resort /Grand River
Center /Alliant Amphitheater. This will be on a one year trial period, with the
City reserving the right to revoke said revision or alter. Leashes or tie outs
must not be longer than 6' in length (not extend -a- leads) and owners are
responsible for feces cleanup with proper disposal in an appropriate
receptacle. Fines for violation of leash or feces are $200 per violation and will
be administered by the park patrol and /or Dubuque Police Department; C)
Delete as redundant.
Commissioner Hoffmann. He feels if people take dogs to the park, we
should increase the park fees. If fines, add extra park ranger to staff and work
longer hours. Have dog owners pay an extra fee ($35 or $50) for a tag for the
dog to cover the costs. At Eagle Point, Flora and Murphy parks, set time limits
— out by 9:00 a.m. He is concerned about the safety of the children. Possibly
make an exception on the weekend during the America's River Festival when
the Dock Dogs are in town. Send out News Releases during the times that
pets are allowed in the parks.
Commissioner Klinge. He has received several telephone calls and letters
regarding this topic. He spent five nights camping over the July 4th holiday at
the Miller Riverview Campground. He doesn't take his dog to the parks
because parks are for people. Not too long ago he went for a walk through
Murphy Park and introduced himself to park patrons and brought up the issue
about dogs in the parks. In doing so, he stated that most people are against
the idea especially at Murphy, Flora and Eagle Point parks and the Dubuque
Arboretum. Let's have a trial period. He is afraid and would feel terrible if
someone gets mauled by a dog(s). He has gone on several walks throughout
the city (along Grandview Avenue, Asbury Road and Carter Road) and has
come across dog waste and waste bags. Keep it as is.
Commissioner Blocker. Both sides have argued their case. I don't think we
can make rules and regulate them. Parks belong to us, the people. Let's
compromise — dogs on 6' leashes, but not in the Arboretum. Have a trial
period of 1 -2 years. Take this to City Council. The thing is responsibility. He
feels a fine of $750 is too high.
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With the absence of Commissioner Evelyn Nadeau, Commissioner Blocker
shared her email with everyone. "Pets on a 6' leash accompanied by someone
age 14 or older are allowed in city parks with the exceptions /limitations listed
below:
Within the parks where they are allowed, pets may not be in playground areas,
in areas where food is consumed such as picnic tables unless the pet belongs
to those picnicking, and are not allowed in areas where sporting activities take
place, such as athletic fields, skate areas, pools, disc golf courses and the like.
All pets must be fully licensed and immunized with current tags, and pet
owners are responsible for cleaning up after their animals. The
exceptions /limitations are as follows:
Eagle Point Park — not allowed with the exception of the Trolley Line Trail and
in the rest of the park only during open hours before 9:00 a.m. and after 9:00
p.m.
Marshall Park — not allowed in the Arboretum.
Fines for pets off leash (other than the Pet Park) up to $1,000 (I originally
stated $500 and $300, but since the current Pet Park rules say up to $750 for
not picking up, I upped the ante). Fine for dog waste not picked up at $750."
With the absence of Commissioner Karen Lyness, no report given.
Leisure Services Manager Marie Ware also shared with the commissioners to
be thinking not only about dogs in parks, but trails, too. We have several trails
in Dubuque (N.W. Arterial, North End Neighborhood, Mississippi Riverwalk and
the Trolley Line Trail). We need to be specific about trails.
In the conversation about dogs on trails, Commissioner Harris agreed to allow
all pets on all trails; Commissioner Schlueter agreed to all trails except for the
Mississippi Riverwalk as stated above; Commissioner Hoffmann agreed with
Schlueter stating it's not a good mix to have dogs and well- dressed people
along the Riverwalk, especially since the Port of Dubuque is a highly used
pedestrian area, and Commissioner Blocker shared that both sides to story and
we need to compromise.
At this time, a gentleman from the chambers asked about a trial period. If we
get one dog bite incident, cancel the trial period. Another person stated that
we are taking the freedom away from the people. How do other cities do it?
Why can't Dubuque figure it out? A lady shared that there is a website that
shows dog bite statistics. Another lady asked if someone gets bit, who is liable
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for the dog bite? This is a legal issue.
Leisure Services Manager Marie Ware spoke and stated that we need a
recommendation to be given to the City Council. Since there are so many
versions, what is your recommendation as a commission? We need time to
take this issue to staff for review. Since this would be an ordinance change,
we need to get feedback from various departments. Time is needed for
discussion.
Commissioner Hoffmann asked about scheduling a Workshop Session. At the
Workshop Session, the general public can be in attendance, but will not be
able to speak. We need to hear comments and have some feedback from
commission members. We need to have a consensus from the Park and
Recreation Commission. It will need review with the park patrol, COPS, Health
Services, et cetera. I feel a Workshop Session is appropriate.
Commissioner Klinge asked how long the ordinance has been in effect — dates
back to 1968. Commissioner Blocker's gut feelings are for this issue to not
take place until the next season since we are half -way through the year now.
Leisure Services Manager Marie Ware stated that this will take some time.
Leisure Services Manager Marie Ware stated that we either need to have a
special meeting, put this item on the Park and Recreation Commission August
agenda or schedule a Work Session before /after our commission meeting.
Commissioner Blocker shared that we can discuss this at the next meeting.
Commissioner Hoffmann suggested to have a Work Session only.
Commissioner Schlueter agreed with Hoffmann and said to have the Work
Session scheduled soon. It was also stated to have the typed minutes of this
meeting available this week so plenty of time is given to read and review the
minutes prior to the scheduled Work Session on Tuesday, July 24th at 5:00
p.m. at the City Council Chambers, 2nd floor of the Historic Federal Building Of
chambers are available). The meeting notice will be released to the media and
again the public is invited to attend, but no public comments will be allowed
during the Work Session.
Prior to ending this conversation, a lady in the chambers asked where does the
money go to that are from the licensing of our dogs? Why can't we use this
money for the different waste stations located in the parks and hiring staff to
enforce the rules?
DISCUSS GOLF Recreation Division Manager Pat Prevenas distributed a copy of the Bunker
OUTING RATES: Hill Golf Course Outings proposal to all commissioners. Under the current
policy, which was adopted in March of 2005, it reads that Golf Outings may be
scheduled on weekdays before noon throughout the season, and weekends
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DIVISION
REPORT:
PARK DIVISION
REPORT:
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after 1:00 p.m. and any time in September and October. Eighteen hole rates
for shotgun start during the above times include the following: 144 player
minimum — league fee of $12.75; 120 player minimum — weekday 9 -hole fee of
$12.75; 100 player minimum — weekend 9 -hole fee of $14.25 or less than 100
players — senior fee of $15. Requests for golf outings have become more
numerous since 2005 and there is less competition between the golf courses to
attract outings so the reduced rates are unnecessary. We also now have the
ability to start outings earlier than 1:00 p.m. on the weekends because of fewer
permanent tee times in the mornings which provides us greater scheduling
flexibility.
To assist the Pro Shop staff with a less complicated pay rate schedule, it has
been suggested that we consider the following for the 2013 season: 120
player minimum — senior fee of $15 or 80 player minimum — weekday 18 hole
fee of $19. Outings with less than 80 players that do not require a shotgun
start will be negotiated individually via the Golf Pro with the approval of the
Leisure Services Department staff.
Recreation Division Manager Pat Prevenas shared the following recreation
issues: • According to the National Golf Foundation, golf rounds are
nationally up 15 -16% due to the weather; up 18% in the Midwest, but up 20%
here at the Bunker Hill Golf Course. This is the best June Bunker Hill Golf
Course has had in 11 years — year -to -date through June up 23 %. • FY12 golf
ended with a surplus of $29,000. • An all -time monthly record was set at
Flora Pool with 37,000 swimmers. We have had the second highest monthly
record at Sutton Pool with 19,900 swimmers. No single, daily records were
set. • The extreme heat has impacted the attendance to some of our
programs (tennis, playground, baseball, softball). • Online registration for
activities has maintained 50% usage.
Leisure Services Manager Marie Ware spoke about the following park issues:
• We continue to water flower baskets and beds. Many thanks to all
employees for all of their hard work in the extreme heat. • The Miller
Riverview Campground has been busy. • Mowing weeds rather than lawns
due to the extreme heat and dryness . • Some of the flower baskets and beds
look better than others. The self -water system with the flowering baskets is
working out well. • Bids were received for the North End Neighborhood Trail.
We received a favorable low bidder below what the engineers estimated. •
Commissioner Hoffmann asked a question about the status of the house that
was up for sale on South Grandview Avenue, outside of Murphy Park. Leisure
Services Manager Marie Ware is looking into options related to moving the
house or deconstruction. If the house gets demolished, we will have an open
lot until plans are in place and money is budgeted as a CIP. • Commissioner
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Blocker was very pleased as to how well the Miller Riverview Campground is
being managed and handled. Blocker had a reservation at the campground
during the July 4th holiday. Blocker asked why we do not have a hard -
surfaced handicap camping site? According to the campground map, there is
a handicap site available and the campground managers keep this area open
for any handicap camper that needs it. Leisure Services Manager Marie Ware
shared with the commissioners that the project of hard surfacing sites had
been placed in the budget. With the new CIP's, they did get some money to
hard - surface a few camping sites.
Commissioner Blocker asked about the status of the Port of Dubuque Marina
and when that will become officially open. The new boat slips are beautiful, but
there is no fuel, no rest rooms, et cetera. Since we have spent $5 million+ on
the marina, why and /or when will we open? Leisure Services Manager Marie
Ware explained to the commissioners that since the City received a $4 million
grant, with the grant monies we cannot exchange money until the grant is
completely closed due to the construction. When this becomes an acceptable
project through the City Council, then you need to add 30 days for retainage
and all things gathered and send to the grantee for final approval. The City of
Dubuque has to follow the rules unless we want to pay for the entire project.
The marina has docks as a courtesy currently.
It was moved by Hoffmann, seconded by Klinge, that the meeting be adjourned
at 6:24 p.m. The motion passed unanimously.
Attest
Chairperson